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Wednesday

The Phaistos disc.



The Phaistos Disc

The Phaistos Disc

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The Phaistos Disc

The Phaistos Disc – Minoan Crete, c. 1700 BCE

Introduction & Description

The Phaistos Disc is a fired clay disc containing pictographic symbols stamped in a spiral arrangement using movable seals. It was discovered in 1908 at the Palace of Phaistos in Crete by Italian archaeologist Luigi Pernier. Despite over a century of study, all attempts to decipher it have failed.

Description of the Disc

Made of baked clay, the disc is about 15 cm in diameter. It contains 241 stamped symbols across both sides in a spiral layout, with 45 unique signs that repeat in various positions. The symbols were impressed using pre-made seals — some scholars suggest this is the earliest known example of movable type printing.

What is the Disc?

The prevailing academic view is that the disc contains text in a syllabic or logosyllabic script due to the limited number of signs (45 total). The nature of the text and its language remain unknown.

Similar (but not identical) symbols appear on the Arkalochori Axe.

Alternative theories suggest it is not writing at all, but an astronomical chart, agricultural calendar, or even a board game.

Disc symbols

Detail of symbols from the Phaistos Disc

Decipherment Attempts

Many scholars and amateurs have tried to decode the text using languages like Greek, Luwian, Semitic, Hittite, and even Basque — often producing imaginative translations. None are based on scientific criteria, and no known language fits convincingly.

Comparisons with Luwian hieroglyphs show visual similarities in some signs, but evidence is too sparse for firm conclusions. The symbols do not connect to Cretan Hieroglyphs, Linear A, or Linear B.

No proposed decipherment stands on solid ground. More discoveries are needed.

Alternative Interpretations

Board Game

The disc resembles ancient Egyptian spiral board games like Mehen (a coiled serpent). Some symbols also appear on Egyptian game pieces.

Mehen game

Ancient Egyptian board game Mehen

Cretan Woman’s Interpretation (Zafeiro Georgoulaki)

In 2011, Cretan researcher Zafeiro Georgoulaki, after 20+ years of study, proposed the disc is a trade map: one side shows European kingdoms, the other African ones. The circular shape suggests the Minoans knew the Earth was round.

What We Know Today

Initially thought to be made outside Crete, the disc is now firmly linked to Minoan culture, nature, and daily life.

The “Mohican haircut” head was linked by Evans to warrior helmets (like Philistines or Egyptians). Grumach saw it as a warrior-cockerel hybrid — a sacred bird in Crete. The female figure was identified by some with the Egyptian hippopotamus goddess Tawaret.

Side A

Side A of the Phaistos Disc

Side B

Side B of the Phaistos Disc

The spiral layout and symbol direction indicate the creator was left-handed — the text is read right-to-left, from the outer edge inward.

120 years after its discovery, decipherment remains an open question. New finds are essential — just as with Linear A and Cypro-Minoan.

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Monday

The Minoan civilization.




The Minoan civilization was a Bronze Age culture that flourished on the island of Crete from approximately 3100 BC to 1100 BC ¹. 

Although the Minoans were not Greek, they have had an instrumental role in shaping the Greek civilization and hence their mention while discussing ancient Greece is a must ³. 

The Minoan civilization developed from the local Neolithic culture around 3100 BC, with complex urban settlements beginning around 2000 BC ¹.



The Minoans constructed enormous buildings which their initial excavators labeled palaces. Subsequent research has shown that they served a variety of religious and economic purposes rather than being royal residences, though their exact role in Minoan society is a matter of continuing debate ¹. 

The ruins of the palaces at Knossos and Phaistos are popular tourist attractions ¹. Minoan art included elaborately decorated pottery, seals, figurines, and colorful frescoes. 



They are believed to have invented true fresco, a technique which results in the pigment becoming part of the wall. Typical subjects include nature and ritual. 

Minoan art is often described as having a fantastical or ecstatic quality, with figures rendered in a manner suggesting motion ¹. 



Little is known about the structure of Minoan society. Social stratification is evidenced by burials and domestic architecture, but Minoan art contains no unambiguous depiction of a monarch, and Egyptian records suggest they may have had some other form of governance. 

Likewise, while some sites seem to have been politically and economically linked, it is not clear whether there was ever a unified Minoan state or states ¹.





(1) Minoan civilization - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization.
(2) Ancient Greek Minoans, Minoan Trade, Minoan Arts. https://ancientgreecefacts.com/greek-minoans/.
(3) Minoan civilization | History, Location, & Facts | Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Minoan-civilization.
(4) Minoan civilization - New World Encyclopedia. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Minoan_civilization.

The Minoan language


The Minoan language is the language (or languages) of the ancient Minoan civilization of Crete, which was written in the Cretan hieroglyphs and later in the Linear A syllabary ¹. 

Unfortunately, the Minoan language is unknown and unclassified as the Cretan hieroglyphs are undeciphered and Linear A only partly deciphered ¹. 

It is impossible to be certain that the two scripts record the same language ¹. The Eteocretan language, attested in a few alphabetic inscriptions from Crete 1,000 years later, is possibly a descendant of Minoan, but is also unclassified ¹.

The phonetic system of the Minoan language can be reconstructed to have consonant phonemes such as bilabial, dental, alveolar, palatal, velar, uvular, glottal nasals, stops, fricatives, trills and approximants ¹. 

Brent Davis, a linguist and archaeologist at the University of Melbourne has proposed that the basic word order of the language written in Linear A may be verb-subject-object (VSO), based on the properties of a common formulaic sequence found in Linear A ¹.


(1) Minoan language - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_language.
(2) Minoan language - Wikiwand. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Minoan_language.
(3) Linear A - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A.

Friday

Was Minoan Greek?


Minoan warriors at Akrotiri,Thera (Santorini) parading Libyan prisoners and local women cheering them.
The simple answer is we do not know for sure the nature of the language the Minoans spoke.

Many theories mainly coming from Greeks take for granted or they rather imply that the underlying language of  linear A was Greek and therefore the Minoans spoke Greek.

The fact remains, however, that linear A still keeps its secret well. Many languages ​​have been tried on linear A, Greek, Phoenician, Egyptian, , Etruscan and many others.

Knossos palace ruins in Crete.

But none of them seem to fit. Linear A has not been read to this day and its language is a mystery.

The Mycenaean Linear B script is younger than the Minoan Linear A. It has been deciphered and it is in form of archaic Greek. The characters of B seem to have evolved from A.

Since Linear B evolved from Linear A we can assume that the phonetics of LB can also be applied to LA. 

But if we apply the phonetic values ​​of the symbols of LB on the same symbols of LA then we get gibberish  or a language completely unknown to us. Maybe a language isolate.
Bronze Age Mycenaean chariot.

The Greek speaking Mycenaeans -a warlike horse culture captured Crete and occupied the Minoan Palaces. The Mycenaeans adopted many elements of the Minoan culture ,their script (LA) as well which they adapted to their own language that being Greek (LB).

A Minoan ship
The Linear B script is a syllabary that is not well suited for the Greek language. It has many open syllables-consonant followed by a vowel and shows great difficulty with consecutive constants often found in Greek.

This is clear evidence that the predecessor of LB , LA was used for a language other than Greek.

Linear A symbols

The Minoan scripts - the scripta Minoa as Evans called them are considered the Hieratic Minoan (Minoan Hieroglyphics), the writing on the Phaistos Disk and the Linear A syllabary.

Archaeological discoveries revealed that Minoan Hieratic and Linear A were used simultaneously in the palaces for some time.

Minoan Hieroglyphics table

All Minoan scripts remain undeciphered to this day. 

The Phaistos Disc is a unique item, one of its kind. It is assumed by some scholars that is also a syllabary citing a prayer maybe.

Some claim that it is a modern time elaborate forgery.

Minoan trade routes.

Minoan Vocabulary 
After studying Minoan words we can find many similarities with Indo-European languages , Semitic and Afro-Asiatic (Ancient Egyptian) as well.

Placenames

Kunisu- Knossos
Paito- Phaistos

Numbers

Kaja-1
Zadaja-2
Sanaja-3
Arapija-4
Taja-5


Vocabulary

Atade- gold
Tadaza- silver
Maru- wool ( Gr. μάλλος)

Akaru -field (Gr. αγρός)
Idamate- king
Jedi- man

Kuro- total
Potokuro - grand total
Datu- oil

Kunasa- money
Zusa- sword
Uduro- water (Gr .ύδωρ)







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